tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4640470443420164863.post5074246454231797094..comments2024-03-26T10:26:51.288-04:00Comments on Jim Leff's Slog: Propolis for Colds and Other BugsJim Leffhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00007232702717055047noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4640470443420164863.post-57043559853617208042016-11-21T02:31:40.373-05:002016-11-21T02:31:40.373-05:00I have a horrid virus, caught last Thursday in Ten...I have a horrid virus, caught last Thursday in Tenerife. My immune system is strong but by the time I arrived home Saturday night my chest felt like it was going to burst. Sunday I took 20 drops of propolis tincture, which my amazing mother swears by in chamomile tea with local honey, every 3 hours. Will do the same today a knock this virus out of the park. Feeling 80% better than yesterday Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4640470443420164863.post-11911344199846282832012-01-08T23:10:12.251-05:002012-01-08T23:10:12.251-05:00I heard a beekeeper say you can get a chunk of pro...I heard a beekeeper say you can get a chunk of propolis, grind it into some honey, and take it that way. I'm a beekeeper, so that's my plan of action.<br /><br />Thanks for the post.Milhttp://www.urbanfarmandbeehives.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4640470443420164863.post-49961842972262277562012-01-08T17:48:34.106-05:002012-01-08T17:48:34.106-05:00Joshi, I'm not a subscriber, and so I can'...Joshi, I'm not a subscriber, and so I can't view. But, per my replies to Seth, anything you say about propolis, scientifically is going to be about just one (or two or ten or fifty) sample(s) of propolis. Positive or negative, the results and conclusions can always be contested. Because there's no one propolis.<br /><br />That said, I've had very good empirical luck knocking out infections and bugs and colds. Scientific? No. But I'm glad to have this stuff around!Jim Leffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00007232702717055047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4640470443420164863.post-88696047506993415392012-01-08T17:42:28.752-05:002012-01-08T17:42:28.752-05:00Yes, that obstacle, and all the other usual ones, ...Yes, that obstacle, and all the other usual ones, as well. But the big obstacle is that there is no one thing we can call propolis. <br /><br />I skated over it, because the article was already long, but bees are unbelievably resourceful in producing this stuff. In dramatically varying environments they always work with a unique set of source materials (bees aren't pandas; their habitats are all over). And so the properties vary. Strength varies. Everything varies. <br /><br />One way or another, the hive stays more or less healthy, which is just amazing. But in terms of testing any one propolis, at any one dosage, with any given sample of humans, with any one of a huge range of ever-mutating antigens? Well.....bees are miracle workers, but even so, it's a tall order!<br /><br />There's been some testing. Some results in some tests with some propolises against some antigens at some dosages with some subjects show terrific improvement. But as a whole, results vary. As they obviously must.<br /><br />And so it's gonna be anecdotal. Try it, and if you like it, spread the word.Jim Leffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00007232702717055047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4640470443420164863.post-35847015638351007182012-01-08T17:32:30.269-05:002012-01-08T17:32:30.269-05:00https://springerlink3.metapress.com/content/t3umq4...https://springerlink3.metapress.com/content/t3umq4l75810611w/resource-secured/?target=fulltext.pdf&sid=dwrrzgj1rvzfjy42epxxr12x&sh=www.springerlink.comjoshinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4640470443420164863.post-73525972844402451652012-01-08T16:55:58.066-05:002012-01-08T16:55:58.066-05:00Thanks for sharing and updating.
Of course, it wo...Thanks for sharing and updating.<br /><br />Of course, it would actually be pretty easy to test if the results are as profound as you describe for illnesses as common as a stomach virus and the common cold. The drugs that are hard to test either deliver minor results, take a long time to take effect or work on rare problems.<br /><br />The real problem is that there's no money in it for the pharma folks.Seth Godinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15618554622444925936noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4640470443420164863.post-15293126826228752622012-01-08T16:51:26.350-05:002012-01-08T16:51:26.350-05:00Seth, I've been touching up the article, but y...Seth, I've been touching up the article, but you seem to have come in early. I amended it to antibiotic/antiviral.<br /><br />Here's the thing: you don't hear much about biological OR viral infections plaguing bee hives (which are, after all, as teeming as...well...hives). And propolis is widely acknowledged to be the way bees stave off such things. Since neither microbes nor viruses seem to attack, propolis would seem, empirically, to have antiviral as well as antibiotic properties. I can confirm this anecdotally.<br /><br />That said, I absolutely agree that placebo effect is way, way more dramatic than most people even realize (in popular imagination, it's a light mechanism for kooks and hysterics, but it's really not at all). So I'm always willing to entertain that as a possibility. But you live not far from me, so you surely have heard about the stomach virus going around. It lasts a week, but I patched up in under two days. That's one helluva placebo! And propolis always works this well for me (and I'm not a particularly fast recoverer when I don't take it).<br /><br />Beekeepers have always been renowned for their good health (something like chimney sweeps and good luck). Propolis is the reason, as beekeepers will all tell you. The reason it's unverified by science is that this is among the most difficult-to-test natural medicines in the world.Jim Leffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00007232702717055047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4640470443420164863.post-78507537673566181032012-01-08T16:40:55.374-05:002012-01-08T16:40:55.374-05:00Hi Jim,
Assuming it fills the role of an antibiot...Hi Jim,<br /><br />Assuming it fills the role of an antibiotic, how does it help with a virus?<br /><br />Placebos are fabulous, and I don't want to deprive you of one, but I'm not following...Seth Godinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15618554622444925936noreply@blogger.com