tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4640470443420164863.post2734547353270059438..comments2024-03-26T10:26:51.288-04:00Comments on Jim Leff's Slog: The Enigma of Von's Magical CookiesJim Leffhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00007232702717055047noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4640470443420164863.post-50724808855611887112012-02-18T15:15:15.119-05:002012-02-18T15:15:15.119-05:00Flgal,
Yup, "really liking them" will d...Flgal,<br /><br />Yup, "really liking them" will do! Glad it worked out!Jim Leffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00007232702717055047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4640470443420164863.post-72223486531458129842012-02-18T14:53:28.515-05:002012-02-18T14:53:28.515-05:00Honestly don't know what exactly what I was su...Honestly don't know what exactly what I was supposed to be looking for in the cookie, so hard to judge. They came out very crispy, which I like in a cookie, and very good.. Since I have eaten three, I guess I really like them!! Next time I will use the mixer and see if there is a difference. Thanks for the recipe.flgalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02810311831234167167noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4640470443420164863.post-52771431384015014922011-11-20T00:01:41.303-05:002011-11-20T00:01:41.303-05:00PS, Chowser -
Yes, baking powder is double acting...PS, Chowser -<br /><br />Yes, baking powder is double acting.<br /><br />But most chocolate chip cookies, and oatmeal cookies, use baking soda. A slightly different animal : )oddlymehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10326515838434329374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4640470443420164863.post-10966278506759769092011-11-19T15:26:45.547-05:002011-11-19T15:26:45.547-05:001) How warm is his kitchen?
2) As Tripper says, hi...1) How warm is his kitchen?<br />2) As Tripper says, his ingredients are barely mixed, very lightly at that. How many strokes/extent of mixing did he use at each stage?<br />3) ==> How aerated is his mix?<br />4) After the baking soda is added how long between adding and baking? Extent of folding of mixture, vigor of mixing? He seems to barely use any exertion --> i.e. again, ingredients barely mixed and lightly at that. Temp of bowl/surroundings? Does he put the bowl on the stove top for any extended period and is the stove top warm? <br />5) The video shows minimal contact with his hands while mixing. Is that true throughout? Is there much more contact with his bare hands than shown in the video? (hand heat, skin/sweat - any impact?)<br />6) As another poster (Tripper) commented about - the blobs of dough on the sheet are "barely" pressed down and the forming of the edges cursory at best - i.e. yes, very light, no compacting of mixture...<br />7) Throughout - oxidation/aeration, texture, all seem very light; baking soda activity - temp, time, size/extent of bubbles formed outside + inside the oven before being 'set' by the baking -- might be factors, see above... Also, the cursoriness of the whole thing - related to points above about barely mixing/folding things together - is striking. Try making a batch as if you weren't even trying to make it...?huiraynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4640470443420164863.post-25489168750408138392011-11-17T16:59:24.414-05:002011-11-17T16:59:24.414-05:00calling this list:
crisco shortening, white sugar...calling this list:<br /><br />crisco shortening, white sugar, eggs, vanilla, flour, baking soda, salt, oatmeal, walnuts, heath bars;<br /><br />"crap ingredient...supermarket stuff" is, in a parallel universe, "crap mass market holistic alternative macrobiotic zen biodynamic kultursmog". I mean, have you seriously considered how any of 10,000 other desserts is made? <br /><br />Anyway, I'm guessing that the heathbars are the key to his recipe, just based on the coincidence that a friend of mine makes really phenomenal chocolate chip cookies, and her secret ingredient is heath bars.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4640470443420164863.post-38078436440000075542011-11-15T13:42:30.055-05:002011-11-15T13:42:30.055-05:00Jeff is Jim.
Typed before coffee : (Jeff is Jim.<br /><br />Typed before coffee : (oddlymehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10326515838434329374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4640470443420164863.post-49744818108453700402011-11-15T13:00:34.483-05:002011-11-15T13:00:34.483-05:00I'm confused...who's Jeff?I'm confused...who's Jeff?Jim Leffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00007232702717055047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4640470443420164863.post-12385613562484038442011-11-15T12:38:43.919-05:002011-11-15T12:38:43.919-05:00; ) indeed Jeff!
And Anonymous, if you look at my...; ) indeed Jeff!<br /><br />And Anonymous, if you look at my post, I DID give you credit. As much as I could...!oddlymehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10326515838434329374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4640470443420164863.post-16061652148302555832011-11-15T12:26:21.091-05:002011-11-15T12:26:21.091-05:00An anonymous commentator wants credit, huh? ;)An anonymous commentator wants credit, huh? ;)Jim Leffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00007232702717055047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4640470443420164863.post-37017705630383316912011-11-15T12:16:25.974-05:002011-11-15T12:16:25.974-05:00Hmmm ... seems like I should get some of the credi...Hmmm ... seems like I should get some of the credit for bringing up the important baking principle that baking soda reacts with acids and that brown sugar is acidic. By the way, I learned that in high school home economics class.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4640470443420164863.post-63601727548841660872011-11-14T23:15:09.108-05:002011-11-14T23:15:09.108-05:00Thanks, Chowser, I didn't know that!Thanks, Chowser, I didn't know that!Jim Leffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00007232702717055047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4640470443420164863.post-22954131552304641512011-11-14T21:45:31.421-05:002011-11-14T21:45:31.421-05:00Oddlyme--most baking powder is double acting which...Oddlyme--most baking powder is double acting which means it's activated on mixing with liquid and then with heat. Jim, molasses is acidic and that's a component of brown sugar.chowsernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4640470443420164863.post-47752437071327789502011-11-14T17:50:53.051-05:002011-11-14T17:50:53.051-05:00Alrighty - Anon is right - and I may be as well. ...Alrighty - Anon is right - and I may be as well. Here's what the arm and hammer website says :<br /><br />"What is the difference between Baking Soda and Baking Powder?<br /><br />Baking soda is 100% pure sodium bicarbonate. Baking powder is a mixture of baking soda (usually about 28-30%) and various acidic ingredients (singularly or in combination). Both are used as leavening agents in baked goods- baking soda will react with an acid, giving off carbon dioxide gas and causing dough to rise. However, they are used in different situations and are not interchangeable. Baking soda is typically used in a recipe that has an acidic ingredient (cream of tartar, buttermilk, etc.) that will react with the soda to give off carbon dioxide. Baking powder, which contains one or more acidic ingredients to facilitate the reaction, is used in recipes without acidic ingredients."<br /><br />So he's right and here's where I might be a little. Chocolate chip cookies are one cookie, for instance, I know I can put in the fridge and they bake up the next day dandy. I wrap the dough tightly in plastic, and the next day, no bubbles, no sign of rising - but they do pouf etc. when they bake. So maybe it's acid AND heat?<br /><br />I just know, when I make baking powder biscuits, I have to be fast, they start activating immediately. Baked goods with baking soda? I've always been able to take my time with no dif in the end product that I can see.oddlymehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10326515838434329374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4640470443420164863.post-14535098998444894652011-11-14T17:32:13.214-05:002011-11-14T17:32:13.214-05:00VON IS THE MON!VON IS THE MON!Barrynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4640470443420164863.post-85981346721345719832011-11-14T16:29:27.909-05:002011-11-14T16:29:27.909-05:00Did you get cut off? Or do you have a reason to th...Did you get cut off? Or do you have a reason to think brown sugar is acidic?Jim Leffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00007232702717055047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4640470443420164863.post-58351791171798512052011-11-14T14:30:17.104-05:002011-11-14T14:30:17.104-05:00@oddlyme
Baking soda is activated by contact with ...@oddlyme<br />Baking soda is activated by contact with acid (in this case, the brown sugar.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4640470443420164863.post-41397170106615051372011-11-14T10:42:26.165-05:002011-11-14T10:42:26.165-05:00Tripper, yep. More observations of telling little ...Tripper, yep. More observations of telling little quirks like these are accumulating....mostly on a Chowhound thread about the video, here:<br />http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/817542 (I'll add that link to the article now)<br /><br />Pat Hammond has pointed out a particularly good posting here:<br />http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/817542#6946273Jim Leffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00007232702717055047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4640470443420164863.post-48808820201311721012011-11-14T09:29:53.467-05:002011-11-14T09:29:53.467-05:00Two things some to mind...the way he does all the ...Two things some to mind...the way he does all the mixing by hand. Doesn't use a mixer. This may have an impact. Second, the way he shapes the cookies. He doesn't seem to pack them. They seem lightly formed from the video. Not sure, but plan to try these using his methods! Thanks for this great post and video.Tripperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12823420846137230717noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4640470443420164863.post-32537296562886179592011-11-13T20:30:19.612-05:002011-11-13T20:30:19.612-05:00Thanks for commenting, Oddly.
Yep, however justi...Thanks for commenting, Oddly. <br /><br />Yep, however justified his reasoning, I'd just follow his serendipity. Because in all those minutae, indeed, lies the magic.<br /><br />JIMJim Leffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00007232702717055047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4640470443420164863.post-41707944795852612202011-11-13T20:07:02.494-05:002011-11-13T20:07:02.494-05:00I adore this video! And Von, and the cookies!
On...I adore this video! And Von, and the cookies!<br /><br />One grinch point - baking powder is activated by liquid, baking SODA is activated by heat. So there's no need to rush. They won't begin the chemical rise until they hit heat.<br /><br />But who know, that quickness, that underbeating, could very well be a part of his magic : )oddlymehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10326515838434329374noreply@blogger.com